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that is why i ran the tape. always good to be with the winners. 17-6, way to go bison. >> see you tomorrow night. so looking forward to it. >> will be a good one. thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. today, todd palin endorsed newt gingrich for president. pretty much game over. you want to keep talking football instead? i kind of want to. but in the unlikely event that the former potential first dude's endoesment does not settle the race, something important is due to begin three hours from right now. three hours from right now, two tiny towns in new hampshire will be the first to start voting in that state's primary. they will be voting just after midnight eastern tonight. dixville notch toward the top of new hampshire and hart's location in the middle of the state, they go first. they vote right as soon as they can after midnight. if past is any prologue, there
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will be fewer than 40 registered voters from the two towns combined. once they vote it's pretty easy and quick to count who they have voted for. look who they picked last time. in 2008, dixville notch and hart's location, both picked barack obama in the democratic primary and republican primary, they both picked john mccain, in the general election, they both picked barack obama. for president. so right, right and right. what does that mean for their voting this year? it means absolutely nothing. but they did pick the winners last time around. the overall goal of the republican part t in choosing the nominee is obviously to defeat president obama in the general election. but the controlling dynamic within that process for much of the last year has been republicans desire to find somebody other than mitt romney to do that. mr. romney had everything going for him in the race, has been the prohibitive favorite before the race began. while he leads everywhere including new hampshire, mr.
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romney's ascendance has been marked by republicans trying to put their finger on what they dislike about him. trying to find a viable alternative to mr. romney among any of the other candidates in the race. trying to get other people to join the race when they couldn't find a credible anti-romney among those who were declared. the way that dynamic played out on a micro level in iowa, the one place where we have voted thus far is that republican voters in iowa went through all the alternatives to mitt romney, saw them knocked down until one guy was left. rick santorum benefitted from three things in iowa. number one, overall desire in the republican le electorate for non-mitt romney randy date. number two, being a candidate seen as a long shot nobody bothered taking him serious enough to criticize him let alone vetting him before the voting started. that helped him. the third thing that was important to his good showing in iowa was shoe leather.
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shoe leather, spending essentially every waking hour in the state of iowa. that success has not carried over, really, from iowa in new hampshire, he got a boost in the polls after doing well in iowa, but the boost was not enough to turn him in to a serious front runner or anything in new hampshire or anything close to that. think about that formula, ma made rick santorum a contender in iowa. desire for non-romney candidate. the fact he had not been taken seriously to get attacked. the fact he burned out shoe leather in the state. think about the formula. who is now using that exact same formula in new hampshire? hello jon huntsman. you look at the latest polling out of new hampshire, mitt romney is still way out ahead but his support has been dropping in the last week. support for jon huntsman has begun to tick up. nobody thinks that mitt romney will lose new hampshire, mitt romney barring a political miracle, will win new hampshire and win it by a lot.
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but jon huntsman appears to be in a position to be like rick santorum, the unexpectedly strong second place finisher there. this is the first time mr. huntsman had momentum like this. he had a buzz worthy launch, as soon as he stepped in the race, he stepped on 1000 different rakes, his own campaign spelled his name wrong on launch day. reporters following the campaign were takenly directed to a plane headed for saudi arabia. weird dirt bike ads, nobody understood. all those things hurt jon huntsman right when the most people were looking at him at the apex of his national aten shun. in the debates, the debate ts widely watched and entertaining, jon huntsman seemed to go out of his way to be these least entertaining guy on stage. if you remember jon huntsman at all from any of the early debates, this is how you remember him. this look. what are these guys doing here and somebody please tell me i'm
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sleeping this can't possibly be my life. in a crazy, entertaining debate environment, jon huntsman had this look on his face. jon huntsman went out of his way to be neither entertaining nor crazy. also, and i know this is petty but has to be said, jon huntsman had lame campaign signs in new hampshire, three different ones in the granite state. this one where it looks like the halliburton logo. i don't know if that is the halliburton logo that jon huntsman-halliburton, that looks tough. usually this is on a big black background with a big red h, looks manly. the campaign sign you see the most for mr. huntsman is a red one, all the other candidates have various blue signs, they look like different times of blue blazers, jon huntsman has one in a nice red wine color. jon huntsman another sign with his campaign website,
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jon2012.com. i follow mr. huntsman's campaign, when i saw a jon 21 sign i didn't know it was for him, i thought it was a ad for a sale at clothing retailer, this is not good. the signs are kind of a sign. up until very recently jon huntsman has not been a bad candidate in theory, but he has been a candidate with a bad campaign. and that may turn out to be a blessing for him. jon huntsman bad campaign has meant he has been so off the radar nobody has bothered to attack him. and now at the exact right moment, if not a little too late, new hampshire voters are taking notice of him and they are taking notice of him at a time that nobody has bothered to trash him. should also be noted that in the last few days, jon huntsman has started running a much better campaign, certainly a much more aggressive campaign. last week on this show we reported on the existence of this crazy racist ad attacking
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jon huntsman not from a candidates campaign but looked like supporters from ron paul. they called him the manchurian candidate. casts gross aspersians for adopting children from out of the country, it was gross, it almost seemed funny before it's not funny and gross again. also important to note that that campaign, that ad was not from the ron paul campaign. it is out there, though and did appear to be from a ron paul supporter. now, not only jon huntsman himself but the huntsman campaign and mr. huntsman's wife have been criticizing that ad. governor huntsman wife calling it absolutely disgusting and using the attack as an opportunity to tell their family story, including the adoption of those daughters. when i saw jon huntsman speak on friday when i was up in new
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hampshire, he ended his discussion with a long personal discussion how much that ad bothered him and how much he loved his daughters and how he and his wife came to adopt them it was very, very effecting. the most emotional thing he did in the campaign appearance. here's the thing, this is kind of amazing. the ron paul campaign says it commissioned a study, an audit, i guess, of where this anti-jon huntsman ad came from, and who has been circulating it. the ron paul campaign says it has looked into where this campaign ad came from and who is circulating it and they think it's jon huntsman. seriously. the quote from story about this. after researching which the available evidence, we believe it's likely the video came from a source within or closely tied to the huntsman campaign. the study they commissioned says the huntsman campaign website jon 12.com, linked to the video a day before it was picked up.
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so, is the jon huntsman campaign so nails that they would use this disgusting ad against their own candidate both for the attention and give him the moral high ground? give him a very, very moral high ground way to talk about his own family background? could they have created this horrible ad themselves? that is what the ron paul campaign appears to be suggesting. the huntsman campaign absolutely denies that. but in the history of campaigns, weirder things have happened. things this outrageous do happen in campaigns. they happen when campaigns are brutally aggressively, tactically ruthlist. the huntsman campaign turned around another attack from mitt romney and the debate on saturday night, they turned that attack around into probably jon huntsman most effective moment in the entire campaign, certainly his single most effective pitch as the anti-mitt romney candidate. first here is the attack from
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mitt romney. >> i'm sorry, governor, you were the last two years implementing the policies of this administration in china. the rest of us on the stage doing our best to get republicans elected across the country and stop the policies of this president from being put forward. mr. romney attacking jon huntsman for serving as america's ambassador to china under president obama. that was on saturday night. this was jon huntsman's response on sunday morning. company play it but instead i will play it set to music. because that is how the huntsman campaign is using it in their latest ad, watch. >> this statination is divided because of attitudes like that. first of all, with respect to governor romney, there were a lot of people tuning in this morning i'm sure they are terribly confused after watching this political spin up here. i was criticized last night by
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governor romney for putting my country first and i just want to remind the people here in new hampshire and throughout the united states that i think he criticized me while he was out raising money. for serving my country in china, yes under a democrat, like my two sons are doing in the united states navy, they are not asking what affiliation the president is. i want to be very clear with the people in new hampshire and this country. i will always put my country first, i think that is important. >> jon huntsman not only shutting down the biggest criticism of him that republicans have, he served under president obama, but also turning that against mitt romney in particular. and, it should be noted, implies ita -- pointing out, mitt romne who had a deferment has five sons, five able bodied sons
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constantly with him on the campaign trail, none of whom served in the military, unlike jon huntsman sons, serving in the navy. jon huntsman does not overtly make that case but it's there, and they have just made an ad out of it. so who knew. after jon huntsman's launch, he's running a capital c campaign, super aagreesive, turned super aggressive in the last few minutes, essentially, before the new hampshire primary. he has the endorsement of the boston globe, a strong reach and highly populated southern new hampshire, endorsement the concord monitor the most influential newspaper inside new hampshire. is it too late? maybe it's too late. but after months of not making a ripple, this is what the crowds look like right now when jon huntsman turns up at an event in new hampshire.
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[ cheering ] . >> joining us to tell me i have this all wrong and jon huntsman is going nowhere is karen tumulty the national correspondent from the washington post, who was in manchester tonight. karen, thank you for being with us. >> thank you, for having me, rachel. >> tell me how wrong i am, tell me how huntsman is still puttering along and appearances of an upswing are just -- are not true. >> well, at this point there is still such a margin, it was pretty clear for instance in iowa that rick santorum was poised to completely close the gap a couple days before. but i had a really interesting conversation today with a very prominent republican here in new hampshire and he was saying one of the problems with huntsman's whole message, for instance i served my country, he never closes the circle, he never
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explains why he left the obama administration, what it was that he saw from inside that administration that really convinced him that he could do things better than barack obama is, and i think that the appetite right now among republican voters is for somebody who will take the fight to barack obama, and that is what i think probably jon huntsman has not conveyed and has yet to convey. >> is the fight within the -- within the republican electorate turning to obama already or are people looking for somebody to distinguish themselves as an anti-romney candidate? >> there is almost a desperate feeling among some parts of the republican base, for instance social conservatives to find somebody other than romney, but until one or two of these guys gets out of the race, they are are finding it almost impossible to console i date enough people to slow romney down much less beat him. >> in terms of the different
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types of opposition to mitt romney talking about social c conservativ conservatives, that is not the ground jon huntsman is trying to appeal, also not the ground ron paul is trying to appeal. ron paul and huntsman seem to be at the top among non-romney candidates in new hampshire. are ron paul and jon huntsman essentially competing for the same group of people are ron paul supporters unreachable by any other candidate? >> i think ron paul supporters are just so unique and if you think about jon huntsman has a very strong foreign policy message, it is about as far away -- it's all about engagement, specifically smartly engaging the chinese, that is as far away as you can get almost from ron paul's message, so i really don't see a lot of overlap there. one thing that i think could happen hunts man or some other non-romney candidate is just the number of verbal gaffes that we
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have seen out of mitt romney in the last couple days, you know whether the pink slips or saying how much he enjoys firing people. i do think there is the potential that some republicans could look at this and say oh my goodness is this another massachusetts politician keep sticking his foot in his mouth. >> why do you think rick santorum didn't get more of a bump in new hampshire after iowa? seeing him on the campaign trial, a little bit myself, i felt new hampshire voters even if they were just didn't like him very much, i wonder what your perception is why santorum hasn't gone further with the iowa performance. >> it's interesting because the friday before the iowa caucuses, i did an interview with santorum, i asked him, i said a lot of people think you're kind of nuts to be going to new hampshire you should go right to south carolina where you have a social conservative message that is really going to resonate with
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the base. he was insisting he could come up here, people would relate to him as a northeastern kid who grew up in a steel town. i think he's talking about income and equality in a state that has been hit pretty hard. it just isn't clicking and again, i think there is going to be a lot of rethinking of that decision to come here rather than doing what rick perry did and head straight for south carolina. >> karen tumulty, thanks for joining us tonight. appreciate having you here. >> thank you, rachel. speaking of rick santorum, after we finished our show on friday night, we did our show live from where karen is sitting up in manchester, on friday night, after the show ended, i finally did get do meet rick santorum face-to-face. i spent the day chasing around both rick santorum and jon huntsman, didn't speak to either of them. after the show i did meet rick santorum i got to talk to him and i got him on tape and that's next. cookie-cutter retirement advice
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i spent friday trying to get candidates to talk to me. i ran after jon huntsman in concord. a producer did get a question to governor huntsman in even though the campaign told me there was no chance for me to talk to him. then we drove an hour to dublin, new hampshire to stand in the overflow room at rick santorum event and get a clear picture how i was get nothing where near the this supposed rick san forum surge. i went one for two talking to
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candidates. did speak that night. after we finished the show, wrapped up at 10:00 eastern, right at the end of the show, somebody told me rick santorum was in the hotel where we were staying right at that very moment, right then, right above where i was sitting, in fact. on the mezzanine level of the hotel, we found rick santorum. he was a special guest on wbz 1030, a big powerful news radio station, hosted by dan ray, great host, running the rodeo, fielding the calls, keeping people on point. i think once senator santorum realized we were there he wanted to keep taking calls on wbz all night. sooner or later you have to stop at least for the ads. >> on the contraception issue, do you think the country would be better off if there was les contraception? you talked about the liberty
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people should do --. >> i talked about the brookings institute study that said 2009 study said if you do three things, you're almost guaranteed not to be in poverty, those three things are number one work, makes sense, work. number two, graduate from high school. number three, if you're a man, get married, if you're a woman, get married, don't have a child before you're married, get married and don't have a child before you're married. if you don't do one of those three things, the poverty rate is 74%. and the chance of being a $50,000 more income is 4%. so i would just make the suggestion that things that would cause the likelihood of any of those three things not to happen would probably not be beneficial to you from the standpoint of living a life where you can pursue and have economic success. and of course, engaging in sexual activity, even with
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contraception, there is a good chance or there is a chance, not a good chance, a chance to become pregnant. >> contraception was more effective you wouldn't have an opinion. i got the commercial break running out. but, rick santorum saved by the bell there. that was during a commercial break which ends and you go back live on the radio. that was my time with rick santorum. asked whether the country would be better off with less contraception use. mr. santorum as you saw sort of ran out the clock talking about things other than contraception use. fortunately, we do know what rick santorum thinks about contraception. he's on the record on the matter. back when nobody took him all that seriously, in terms of his presidential prospects, rick santorum made his position on contraception, very, very clear. >> one of the things i will talk about that no president has talked about before i think the dangers of contraception in this country. the whole sexual liberty idea,
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many in the christian faith said well that is okay, contraception is okay, it's not okay. it's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to what how things are supposed to be. >> president santorum's america, birth control is a sexual l liberdine idea. the moderators tried to nail the contraception issue down. that effort was mostly derailed by mitt romney purporting not to understand the question. he was asked whether states can ban birth control if they ought to make birth control illegal. >> do you believe that states have that right or not? >> george, i don't know whether the state has a right to ban contraception, no state wants to. the idea of you putting forward things that states might want to do that no state wants to do and
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ask if they can do that is silly. >> what is this birth control issue, silly. and so on. mitt romney like rick santorum went on like that for a long time, sort of running out the clock rather than talking about his views on birth control, specifically, fortunately, we know mitt romney's position on this. because back in october, he was asked about a constitutional amendment like the one mike huckabee was pushing in mississippi so-called personhood amendment, which everybody agrees could make hormoneal birth control like the pill illegal. >> would you have supported the constitutional amendment that would have established the definition of life at conception? >> absolutely. >> absolutely, mitt romney says he's absolutely for an amendment like the personhood amendment that mississippi voters said no to this year. he's absolutely for an amendment that surprise, could have the effect of outlawing the most popular forms of birth control. i know rick santorum wants to be the number one anti-romney candidate there is not much
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policy difference on whether or not a state can infringe your right to have birth control. it's rasemarkable a candidate c be considered a top tier candidate. it's even more remarkable that mitt romney, the overwhelming front-runner, also can take a public position of opposing birth control, the most popular kind of birth control. what is most remarkable, most remarkable about this year's republican field, the thing of opposing popular forms of birth control is the majority position among the entire field of candidates. five of the hopefuls signed a personhood pledge from a group called personhood usa. of the candidates still in the race, rick ran tore rum, newt gingrich signed on, mitt romney saying he absolutely supports the idea. even ron paul libertarian ron paul says birth control should be legal, even ron paul signed the personhood pledge, that could make the most common birth control illegal in this country.
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birth control has been legal in the country in every state of the union for almost half a century since the supreme court said states had no right to ban it. half a century your right to birth control has been the law of the land. now comes the republican field. it's 2012. joining us is cecile richards, president of the planned parenthood federation, thanks for being here. >> good to see you, rachel. >> has there been a major party primary in modern american history where being against contraception is the position of anybody other than a fringe candidate? >> never seen this, used to be the republican primary the question was whether you wanted to overturn roe, everyone is into ending access to birth control. mitt romney wrote his own editorial saying he would end the national family planning program that now serves five million women. >> whether you have a right to
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it you won't be able to get it that is the means by which they get contraception. >> absolutely. showed a clip, when asked when governor romney was asked about his position on the right to privacy, the reason married couple got the right to birth control, he said he didn't believe in the right to privacy. if you look at the supreme court express he will put into judges now that agree with scalia, thomas, looking at actually for the first time absolutely entertaining the idea of making birth control illegal in america. >> rick santorum has been very open in the past, as you saw in that, in the past, in october about his feeling that birth control is wrong, that it is -- that it makes for the wrong kind of society and that he also believes that states have the right to ban it. now he's being taken more seriously, he said he doesn't think states should ban it. mitt romney saying he would support a personhood amendment would allow a state like
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mississippi to ban abortion, mitt romney says that he also doesn't think that states should do that. what do you make of the candidates parsing the could and should of this issue? >> i think you can't trust them. in fact it's interesting because you look at mitt romney in particular, it wasn't that long ago he was asking for planned parenthood's endorsement when he was running in massachusetts, when he was politically ex-pape ichben. he wants to defund planned parenthood, he's wishy-washy, women can't trust him, what he says about the issues. >> do we have the pdf of the plap planned parenthood. this is 1992 running for senate? >> no, 2002 less than ten years ago. >> he's running in massachusetts, filling out the planned parenthood questionnaire, seeking support
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essentially from the pro-choice community. >> endorsement from planned parenthood. >> does the distance he has travelled over these past ten years, is that a mitt romney distance or is that a republican party normal distance. does this remt tpresent the republican parlt party? >> only mitt romney can tell you why he is on every different side of the issue. i know women can't trust what he says now. i do think to your point in the beginning, we are seeing a republican primary that is absolutely a race to the bottom for women, where they are trying to outdo themselves on who would be the worst president for women. >> michele bachmann is it a loss for women that she dropped out of the race, because republicans aren't considering a female candidate or because they have
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anti-female policies? >> we should have more women running for office, we didn't agree with her on any positions, that said i wish there were more women running. i mean i think what is going to be interesting when we look, rachel, in november, the majority of voters will be women. and they will be paying attention to how candidates stand on women's health issues, i was in new hampshire as well, republican women who support planned parenthood are very, very disturbed about the extreme nature of the republican primary wondering where they will go. >> i will say it was striking to see campaign signs on corners all over new hampshire, to see planned parenthood signs among the candidate signs. you're behind that, well done. cecile richards, thank you for coming in. >> great to see you again. there is a clals struggle going on for the future of the republican party, on the one hand people making six figures a year, on the other hand, people making eight figures a year. that is just ahead.
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president. he has not trained himself to recognize his life as a zillionaire and the son and father is not the way most people have lived their lives. >> i'm just saying you were for individual mandates, my friend. >> you know what, you raised that before, rick. >> it was true then. it's true now. >> rick, i tell you what, 10,000 bucks, $10,000 bet. >> i'm not in the betting business. >> i happened to see my dad run for governor when he was 54 years old. he had good advice to me. he said mitt, never get involved in politics if you have to win election to pay a mortgage. if you find yourself in a position when you can serve you ought to have a responsibility to do so. >> it was the private sector we were pulling ourselves up by our boot straps. >> we could raise taxes. >> corporations. >> corporations are people, my friend. we can raise taxes of course
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they are. corporations money earned goes to people. where do you think it goes? >> it goes in your pockets. >> human beings, my friends. i know these are tough times. they are tough times in america. i know what it's like to worry whether you'll get fired. there were a couple times i wondered if i would get a pink slip. i should tell my story i'm unemployed. mitt romney, common man. a time magazine reporter how strange it was to be in the room when he was asked a benign question by a little kid about why he wanted to be running for president in order to explain how much he cared about the future of the country, mr. romney started a riff how difficult it has been for him to decide who to leave his fortune to. >> i remember i sat down with an attorney, i said if i have a will i want to make sure and pass along my whatever i have to my sons, and she said well, what do you want to give to your grandchildren? i didn't have any then.
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i said nothing, i'll give to it my boys, they bill give it to their children. she said you'll change your mind. i said i don't think so. well now i have grandchildren, i saw this lady lawyer of mine i saw her on the street i said by the way, i don't want to give anything to my boys, i want to give it all to my grandchildren. >> the heart warming story about his fortune and the wacky run-ins with the lady lawyer. he told that story at a campaign event on wednesday. but the one moment on the campaign trail that the campaign is preparing to never live down, the one that spawned a tag line they probably will never live down came at an appearance today in new hampshire. >> i like being able to fire people. >> the context he was talking about wanting to fire people who provide service to him. specifically liked the idea of being able to fire who provide health insurance to him. because of how mitt romney made his zillions, i like being able to fire people will live on forever regardless of the context, coming to a bumper sticker near you.
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pretty much all of the candidates for president are millionaires, just being a rich guy is a distinction without a difference for this field. all the criticism of mitt romney on this score is rather an oblique way of getting at the larger critique of mitt romney and i think people generally assume this would be a left wing critique but it's not left wing at all. it instead is populist. whether fat cats are predatory, whether they are standing on the necks of regular people to enhance their own wealth and status. that is often a left wing critique, mostly a populus one. it's not always left wing. >> governor romney enjoys firing people. i enjoy creating jobs. >> i have no doubt that mitt romney was roworried about pink slims, whether he would have enough to hand out because of his company, bain capital i'm sure he was worried he would run out of pink slims. -- slips.
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>> more ruthless than wall street. for tens of thousands of americans, the suffering began when mitt romney came to town. >> you shicertainly have to say bain looted a company leaving behind 1700 unemployed people. >> mitt romney may have complained about other people saying mean things about him, but newt gingrich has never been more in his element, has never seemed to be enjoying himself more than when he has been destroying mitt romney over this stuff. for this past week or so. a casino billionaire, according to forbes, made the largest donation known to have been made to any pac in this election so far. a $5 million lump sum donated to pro newt gingrich pac, which by all accounts seems intent on using the money to air material not just from this ad that you saw, but this ad is actually a trailer for a much longer ad, the when mitt romney came to
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town idea, it's actually a 30 minute anti-mitt romney corporate raider attack. remember in the 2004 election the swift boat veterans ads aired by a pro george w. bush group, the made to look like news story ads, pro gingrich group has one of those on mitt romney, 30 minute attack ad masquerading as a documentary targeting him as a soulless corporate raider who pillaged americans lives to make himself rich. joining us now the guy who wrote the book on greedy bastards, dylan ratigan, author of the new book, greedy bastards, mr. ratigan, thank you for joining us. >> the way you tell a story, rachel, by the end of that thing you're concerned. listen, okay, you offer this critique, can i critique your critique? >> sure, please. >> i would be very rare i would
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do this but for having written the book, obviously, being so flattered to be in your company, i wouldn't want to be inappropriate. but i think there are two commentaries i would offer on your commentary. you can afford to be more brutal as to the destructive nature of the apparatus not only mitt romney but newt gingrich who took millions from fannie mae, participants by a large number in the democratic party as well who are attached to this system, and that system which we're seeing protested, whether through the occupation or tea party is precisely the system you were just describing, i think a lot of the frustration is not hard to figure out why mitt romney is the extractionist. my dream come true, what are you talking about, mitt romney, study him that is extractionism. i think that we do ourselves a disservice when we play too much to the heros and villains, the
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destruction or ascendancy won't save you and me. >> that is the question. attacks on mitt romney are motivated by one thing, people not wanting him to get the nomination. are those attacks because they are about his time at bain a moment for the count try to learn about extraction? >> yes, the brilliance of the monologue you did on prime time and national television, explanation as to the difference in a business model, one seeks to collaborate, rachel and dylan want to sell cups, do you have five bucks, okay, great let's sell cups. will they buy the cups, you make a couple bucks, that is america. the other thing is rachel says hey dylan has a cup i think i can borrow somebody else's money from dylan's retirement to buy his cup from him and sell his cup to somebody else cheap so you get a lot of money and i'm
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left with no cup. that may sound that is what we're to a 5-year-old, what's the system? how do the grownups make decisions in america? what you have to tell them is we don't differentiate between rachael and dylan decide to collaborate to make something. or whether rachael or dylan are able to exploit one another through some particular breech of visibility, integrity or choice where i withhold information from you or whatever it may be. there are aurl these things we do in our personal relationships and our systematic relationships as a country and we're paying a price for honoring money over know built. we lost the knnobility with compassion. i've been yelling and scream bgt problems. it's wrong. it hurt me. i gained weight, i started smoking. it's not health dwroi become angry about what's in this book.
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and somebody who wrote it originally angry. >> but are we -- >> it's compassion. >> are we more precise about awhat free enterprise is? >> it's amazing. it is so -- the revelation of discreet data and the ability to identify the excrete data and then adapt to it which we saw first with crime fighting in new york. where is the crime? put a punch of cops there and go do that. that was celebrated in this country. william bratton and all the improvements and new york's police department and all this, at least certainly in its relative, proportional behavior. in this book we talk about dr. brenner and cam den, new jersey. the most interesting place to do health care research in this country is in the poorest cities because nobody cares. and so you have dr. brener in camden, new jersey who realized, what percentage of all the health care costs in camden, new jersey, are being created by what percentage of the people? 1% of the people in camden, new
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jersey, account for 30% of the health care spending mostly because they're not taking their diabetes medicine and not going tore a walk around the block. so he sets up a preventative team and they reduce their costs by 50% and the overall health care costs in camden collapse. it's that intelligent discreet decision making on how not how much that is determining our future as a people and as a country. and it's a decision we have to make to seize nobility again not through the grandiose aspirations of mythology but the realistic assessment of our own best interests. >> dylan rad began, "greedy bastards." thank you for coming in. >> thank you. i'm sorry to carry on so much. thought it was a privilege to get to talk you to. >> dylan -- >> i want to smoke a cigarette snou. >> carrying on what why we come you to. >> i wore this scarf for you. i only wear it after 9:00 at
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saturday. his major campaign announcement on saturday is he is staying in the race. and now in the latest suffolk university poll, rick perry has 1%. buddy romer has a whopping 2%. in this ppp poll taken over the weekend, it shows buddy romer with a commanding lead over rick perry, 3% to 1%. mr. roemer's campaign manager making sure that everybody noticed his candidate's rise in fortune. >> what i would be happy is coming ahead of rick perry. >> one, two, 3%, threes not giant numbers. they do not mean that buddy roemer is the next front runner in new hampshire. that makes him feel like he has to answer his critics who are asking why he is still in the race. but if he is polling at 2% or 3% is enough to lap rick perry in new hampshire, forget what buddy roemer has to answer to. when does rick perry have to answering why he's still in the race? we'll be back tomorrow night at 6:00

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